Ren Zhengfei accepted an interview with the Associated Press: You can survive very well without relying on the United States (with interview minutes)

On October 15, Huawei Xinsheng Community released the minutes of the interview with the Associated Press by founder Ren Zhengfei. During the interview, Ren Zhengfei responded to topics such as “temporary ban”, “entity list sanctions”, “5G”, and “China-US Trade Dialogue”.

Ren Zhengfei also said that from 5G to core network products, Huawei can survive very well without relying on the United States. For these complete products that do not rely on American devices, the modified design of the circuit board requires a short switching and running-in. After the running-in is completed, the production capacity will be greatly improved.

The following is the full text of the interview minutes:

1. Joe McDonald: Last night in Washington, the U.S. government decided to postpone the “temporary permission” for purchasing American products for another 90 days. How did you react to this incident? What difference will this “90 days” bring to Huawei? For the US products and parts involved in the physical list, to what extent does Huawei still need them?

Ren Zhengfei: This is also a good thing, and both sides should calmly think about it. First, the U.S. needs to think more about the sanctions on Huawei’s entity list. Will Huawei lose a lot or the U.S. company will lose a lot? It should be studied carefully, is it necessary to keep such a list of entities? I support globalization from beginning to end. Only globalization can achieve high-quality allocation of resources and provide customers with high-quality services. Globalization has been hard-won after decades of hard work. A new kind of market fragmentation is not good for the United States. After all, the United States is currently the country with the strongest global high-tech capabilities, and it is also the country with the greatest vested interests in the globalized high-tech market structure.

Second, as for the extension or non-extension of the “temporary license”, it will not have much impact on Huawei. From 5G to core network products, we can survive very well without relying on the United States. Yesterday everyone also saw these complete sets of products that do not rely on American devices. The modified design of the circuit board requires a short time of switching and running-in. After the running-in is completed, the production capacity will be greatly improved.

The entity list has the greatest impact on our terminals, because Android software is already used by billions of users in the world. Now the restriction on Huawei terminals to use Google software has nothing to do with national security. If the United States still decides to prohibit the use of Huawei, we may also have backup measures. After all, Google is a very good company. We have a sincere cooperation agreement with Google, and we hope to continue to use Google products. We continue to use Google, in fact, to expand the scope of application of American technology in the world.

If Google’s Android and Microsoft’s Windows cannot give us authorization, there may be a third system that replaces them. No one can be sure that the third system will not win. The occurrence of this situation is the most threatening to the United States. .

For us, it has been proved in the past few months that the physical inventory cannot make Huawei die. Huawei will definitely continue to survive, and the better. In this case, is the purpose of the entity list achieved? It may not be achieved. The consequence of failure to achieve is that alternative products will be born in China and other countries. American products will not enter the market covered by alternative products. The market size of American manufacturers will shrink, which will affect their financial quality. weaken. We don’t want to provoke confrontation. We still want to continue to buy American parts. Although we can mass-produce parts ourselves, we can reduce production and purchase American parts in large quantities to jointly serve the prosperity of mankind.

2. Joe McDonald: You met a lot of foreign journalists this year. Before that, you hadn’t seen journalists for a long time. Did you communicate with reporters so frequently this year to repair Huawei’s reputation and improve Huawei’s operating environment under the current US pressure on Huawei? Have your efforts paid off? Has Huawei’s operating environment improved? Has the reputation been repaired?

Ren Zhengfei: Your analysis is relatively correct. I have to stand up in times of crisis and do some propaganda correctly for Huawei. After the US entity list came out in May, most of the media and some companies believed that Huawei was dead; there was also a public opinion that Huawei could still live for three months, and it should die if the inventory of materials is finished. Meetings with the media have increased, and the media also has a saying that Ren Zhengfei is singing the “empty city plan.” About two thousand journalists visited Huawei in the past six months. After seeing our reality, they learned that Huawei is really alive and the efficiency of life has become higher. The media reports changed from black at first to dark gray some time ago, and recently changed to light gray, indicating that it is still useful. If I only communicate with the media and don’t let the media take a look at the actual situation, the credibility is still not high.

3. Ken Moritsugu, President of the Associated Press Beijing Branch: Your daughter was arrested in Canada in December last year. This year, the trade relationship between Huawei and the United States was tense, and the United States included Huawei on the list of entities. Is this stage Huawei’s biggest crisis? Or is there other similar crises in history?

Ren Zhengfei: In fact, in the past 30 years, Huawei has had constant crises, either this crisis or that crisis. Some crises are so serious that they endanger the life of the company. Therefore, this crisis in the United States has hit us hard, but it is not very big either. In the past, we had neither talents, technology, capital nor market. We don’t know if we can survive tomorrow. The crisis at that time may be even greater than today. Now this crisis, after all, we already have a certain scale and ability, it is possible for us to overcome it, so I don’t feel terrified.

4. Joe McDonald: President Trump has also hinted before that if the Chinese government is willing to reach a certain degree of consensus with the United States on a trade agreement, he will not be cruel against Huawei and remove Huawei from the list of entities. Or change your daughter’s situation further. How did you react to President Trump’s statement? He seems to use Huawei as a pawn or bargaining chip in Sino-US trade negotiations. What is your reaction to this statement?

Ren Zhengfei: If this “chess” can solve the problem, it sounds good, but if the Chinese state makes concessions for us, I will not promote it. This is a problem between countries. After all, we are rich and can afford to fight. Many people in China are poor. Let the poor people give some benefits to the United States to save a rich Huawei. My conscience cannot get through. Therefore, I think that I can insist on being beaten for a few more years, including more crimes for my daughter, and I cannot cede the interests of China to the United States. In fact, the United States should also realize that there are still many poor people in China whose living standards are still low.

Therefore, on this point, I have not considered it at all, and I will not ask the Chinese government to give the United States benefits and let Huawei go. If we don’t let go, we just develop more slowly. Meng Wanzhou stays a little longer and suffers a little bit more suffering, but it is good for the Chinese people and the country, and I feel a little more comfortable. If the country exchanges a lot of benefits for Huawei’s survival, I always feel sorry for my country.

If the U.S. says “Ren Zhengfei pay a little bit and improve it”, I can consider; the U.S. says “5G technology is a threat to U.S. security”, we can completely transfer 5G technology and production process systems to U.S. companies, and let the U.S. develop on the basis of 5G. 6G shortens the technological development process in the United States. I am willing to do all of these, because it is at the expense of ourselves, without sacrificing the interests of other people in China. Otherwise, people will scold me when I walk on the street in the future.

5. Joe McDonald: You just mentioned that some people think that Huawei or 5G technology may pose a security threat. I would like to ask what Huawei is doing now and what plans it plans to do in the future to respond to or address the concerns of the US, Australia and other governments, to prove that the technology is safe and does not pose a security threat, so that it can enter the global 5G market?

Ren Zhengfei: I think if the United States and Australia do not want to understand that 5G is just an advanced tool. Before worrying about its safety, it is best not to buy Huawei’s 5G and related products, and wait for the world’s experiments to prove whether it is safe or not to buy. Don’t be so worried. I personally think that 5G is just a tool, a tool to support the existence of artificial intelligence in the future, and the tool itself has no security issues. Second, the future data of the tool will be gathered in the core network. The core network is in the hands of the operators of the sovereign state. These operators operate on the territory of the sovereign state and are governed by the laws of the sovereign state. The law has the power to manage its data. There is nothing. The fundamental security issue.

We believe that there is no security problem, and we are still working hard in this regard. Huawei was developed from a small company, and the software is not that scientific. We hope to make more efforts in the next step of the scientific nature of the software, of course, including network security, GDPR privacy protection, etc., which can be implemented in the entire network.

6. Joe McDonald: In the past three months, there have been some protests in Hong Kong. How has this situation affected Huawei? After all, Hong Kong and Shenzhen are separated by a sea. Hong Kong is also an important commercial center for Huawei. How will these protests in Hong Kong affect US-China relations and Huawei?

Ren Zhengfei: First, the mainland and Hong Kong have one country, two systems. It is not as simple as “a river separated by a river.” For example, we are separated from other counties by a river, and we will pass by a span, but after all, there are borders and customs between the mainland and Hong Kong. One country, two systems, Hong Kong implements a free capitalist system, and mainland China implements a socialist system. There is actually no fusion between “well water” and “river water”. The laws implemented in Hong Kong allow freedom of demonstration. We can understand that it should be bad for some violent behavior to occur.

Secondly, things in Hong Kong have no effect on us at all. Huawei is to make good production, and make good holes in the “bad plane” so that the “plane” can fly back. What we care about now is whether we can survive the US sanctions against Huawei. We don’t care about the issues they care about, and we don’t study and analyze it. We still study the impact of the US entity list on us and how to improve our production.

7. Joe McDonald: We are very concerned about the future trend of Huawei’s technology. What do you think is the most important emerging technology that has not yet been developed? In which technology areas will Huawei focus its investment?

Ren Zhengfei: The emerging technology of the future should be intelligent computing, from intelligent computing to artificial intelligence. 5G is just a support platform, a platform that supports artificial intelligence to achieve low latency and high bandwidth. It is just a tool, not a result.

8. Joe McDonald: Facing the pressure from the United States, how is Huawei adjusting its R&D strategy? Assuming that the list of entities and corresponding restrictions exist for a long time, Huawei will have to achieve self-sufficiency in components. So, in which areas does Huawei need to be self-sufficient, or not rely on US suppliers? How to achieve this?

Ren Zhengfei: It is impossible to revoke the US entity list, because it is impossible for a single person in the US to stand up and call for the cancellation of Huawei’s entity list. It is politically correct to attack Huawei in the United States. It is correct for the Americans to step on Huawei. The Americans may be attacked by groups once they help Huawei. Therefore, we are mentally prepared for the long-term existence of the entity list.

In the short term, we have to make up for some of the previous shortcomings; in the long term, facing future development, we still have to be far-sighted, strengthen international cooperation, and resolutely support the division of labor under globalization, in artificial intelligence, cloud and other new technologies. Success in terms of. If we are unsuccessful in the new technology, we may be marginalized and we will die. If the United States decouples from China in terms of technology, it may not be easy for us to obtain the support of some advanced elements of the United States. Will we flourish and decline in development? It is possible. This requires more efforts from Chinese scientists and scientific research institutions.

9. Ken Moritsugu: To what extent did the list of entities and the pressure on Huawei from the United States affect the adjustment of Huawei’s own strategy? Last year, the vast majority of people talking about Huawei were talking about 5G deployment, and now they are talking about the physical list, talking about Huawei’s need to further reduce its dependence on US suppliers. To what extent do you or Huawei need to adjust its strategy based on the current situation? How will this adjustment affect Huawei and its future development?

Ren Zhengfei: First of all, the US entity list has not hit our strategy, but is helpful. We cut off some unimportant marginal products and converged these forces on the main channel to make our main products. In the past, because we couldn’t control the budget allocation at the grassroots level, we made some small products, but now we are determined to cut it off. In the process of reforming the R&D organization, we cut off 46% of the departments and transferred the excellent employees in these departments to the main product line, so our main product will be better, not worse. You saw our products in the exhibition hall yesterday. If you have the opportunity to visit other companies, you can also see how their products are. By comparison, you will know why we are so confident that we can lead the world.

In this way, the objective of the Entity List to combat Huawei cannot be achieved. When the list of entities comes out, I hope that Huawei will die. As a result, Huawei will not only die, but will also live better. This is not consistent with its purpose. Conversely, it will have a greater impact on our friends, because they originally supplied hundreds of millions, billions of dollars to us, but suddenly the United States refused to let them supply, and the financial short-term will suffer a lot of losses and impacts, because Wall Street is still very Pay attention to the value of stocks.

In my opinion, the damage to the United States by the Entity List is really greater than ours. The Entity List should be cancelled and should not be kept. But we also believe that cancellation is unlikely, and Huawei is prepared to not cancel for a long time.

10. Joe McDonald: You mentioned 5G just now. How many American technologies and components are there in Huawei’s 5G products? To what extent does the entity list affect the sales of Huawei’s 5G products and 5G technology?

Ren Zhengfei: The United States has no influence on a series of products from 5G to the core network.

Joe McDonald: Are all the components of 5G products made by Huawei, or do they use non-US components?

Ren Zhengfei: Basically, Huawei did it by itself. But this is not our goal, but a means of this period. Our goal is to provide advanced services to mankind in the rational division of labor in globalization.

11. Joe McDonald: Huawei has many foreign employees and employs many senior technicians and experts, which is unusual among Chinese companies. Compared with all Chinese employees, what are the advantages of using foreign employees? What are the difficulties and challenges brought by?

Ren Zhengfei: First of all, different countries, different ethnic groups, and different cultures have conflicts with each other. This kind of conflict happens to complement each other’s strengths, because only with conflicts can they have vitality. In different ethnic environments, activating diverse cultures can help our products lead the world. The United States is the most advanced, developed, and technologically powerful country in the world. The biggest feature is an immigrant society. A large number of outstanding people from all over the world go to the United States, making the United States today developed. Of course, we are still not up to the level of the United States, but some “gamma globulins” have been introduced, which can stimulate the thinking of Huawei personnel. Therefore, it is good for these foreign employees to enter Huawei.

We are also doing localization overseas. Chinese employees are sent overseas. Many places are not used to it. Some of the jobs do not require Chinese employees, but local foreign employees do it. On the one hand, the cost is lower, and on the other hand, it is also for the local country. Provide employment opportunities and cultivate talents.

Joe McDonald: Some people abroad are more picky about Huawei. Who controls Huawei? Who has decision-making power in Huawei? We now see that the top board and CEO of Huawei’s organization are all Chinese. Has Huawei considered introducing foreign employees to the board of directors or appointing a foreign employee to serve as the company’s CEO to further win foreign trust? If it is not in your consideration, why not consider it?

Ren Zhengfei: First, foreign employees must have this ability; second, foreign employees must have worked in Huawei for 25 years and have been promoted from the grassroots to understand the structure of the entire company. Some Western company CEOs change like “revolving lanterns”. After several changes, the company is gone. Because this CEO does not understand the actual situation at the grassroots level, he thinks that drinking red wine and talking about philosophy can lead the company.

Some of our country representatives and product line managers are already foreign employees, and a large number of senior experts and Fellows are foreign employees. Of course, you are also welcome to recommend CEOs and chairman candidates. You can send them to Africa first, go to the Comoros island to exercise “one person, one cook, one dog”, and then go to some places for technical training. You are fully aware of Huawei’s business and in the future. It may also come up.

Why are so many western companies doing bad things now? This is because the board of directors of western companies choose people everywhere, and the person chosen is very powerful. When they come, they use levers everywhere to enlarge the products. If they can’t sell them, they will lower their prices, and they may sell the company to death.

Therefore, we emphasize the internal selection of leaders, including 30,000 foreign employees, which are also included in the selection.

Joe McDonald: If Huawei were to appoint a board member or a foreigner at the CEO level, would it cause the Chinese Communist Party to cause trouble to Huawei? From a political perspective, will it change the nature of Huawei? Do you think the appointment of foreign executives is a hindrance to Huawei?

Ren Zhengfei: Absolutely not. We have established some local boards overseas, and most of the members are local celebrities.

12. Ken Moritsugu: Yesterday we heard that you like to chat, drink tea, and coffee with employees, and also encourage Huawei employees to go out and drink tea and coffee with other people. Huawei is already a very large company, and you still continue to do so. My question is, when you are communicating with your employees, are there any employees who are worried about Huawei’s future because of the pressure from the United States? Or is everyone not worried? Why are you not worried? If everyone is still full of confidence in the current situation, how do you give employees confidence?

Ren Zhengfei: First of all, it is not that I give them confidence, but that they perceive our possible future success from their work and are full of confidence. We cannot preach to employees like pastors and make them believe our story, but they see hope in their actual work and can make great contributions to the company. Especially after Huawei was hit by the Entity List, it inspired them more energy and improved their ability to solve problems, so they were more confident.

13. Joe McDonald: Next, I want to talk to you about your life and how your life experience affects the development of Huawei. You are a native of Guizhou, Guizhou is one of the poorest provinces in China, and your township is also a poor township. How did you grow from a poor child in Guizhou to one of China’s most successful entrepreneurs?

Ren Zhengfei: I don’t know why I got to this point, but I once said that if I fail to pass the college entrance examination, raising pigs may also be the champion of pig raising. I think I am serious about what I do, and I can do everything well.

Some time ago I traveled to the Great Northern Wilderness. I said that if I was an intellectual youth in the Great Northern Wilderness, I would turn a village in the Great Northern Wilderness into a noodle processing factory and use the wheat from the Great Northern Wilderness to make various noodles and noodle products. Let the whole village become members of our company, and everyone will share the success. Because we have not done high-tech, we will not fail if we process raw materials into noodles. In China, there is a village called “Nanjie Village” that makes noodles. In Henan, it has been a collective struggle and has been very successful. There is also a village called “Huaxi Village”. Huaxi Village does things like steel, but farmers can’t keep up with the progress of research on steel issues, so they declined. If I can’t pass the college entrance examination, raise pigs, make noodles… I may also be the champion, because I am serious. The road to Huawei was completely accidental, not inevitable.

So don’t think that I had lofty ideals when I was young. When I was young, my ideal was to eat a bun, because I hadn’t eaten it. Second, I could go to university, stay away from my parents and go to other provinces to take a look, because I have never I haven’t been to the province, I don’t know what other provinces are like, and I am eager to leave this place. Therefore, I didn’t build up the idea of ​​doing big things since I was young. I just worked tirelessly on one thing, and if the understanding of one thing was too concentrated, it was easy to produce success. Poverty does not give me any necessary success factors, there is no inevitability.

Ken Moritsugu: You formed a serious character when you were very young. How did you develop such a serious quality, choose one thing and do it unremittingly?

Ren Zhengfei: The place where we grew up is very poor. There is nothing to play. The things that can be played repeatedly are mud, rocks, and birds… these simple things may form a personality. Regarding the formation of personality, I have no knowledge of psychology, and I don’t know how to summarize it. Maybe it’s curiosity.

Joe McDonald: We met Tian Tao before, and he wrote a book about Huawei. He said that he asked 50 people who had the greatest influence on you in your life, and everyone said it was your mother. Is that really the case? If it is true, how did your mother affect you?

Ren Zhengfei: My understanding of parents is the same as that of young children today. The biggest characteristic of young children today is that they ignore their parents. For example, when they come back from abroad, they don’t call “Mom or Dad”, they communicate with others everywhere, and they are unwilling to say a word to their parents. I was like this back then. I understood the greatness of their personality and character only after the death of my parents. When they were alive, I couldn’t understand them, and I found their words to be verbose and annoying. So, how much influence my parents have on my character is hard to say.

My father is a high school principal, and my mother is a senior teacher and math teacher. In addition to teaching, she has to take care of the lives of seven children. Without a nanny, she has to cook by herself. She slips out during class breaks and steams the meal for 10 minutes. , And then rushed back to class. After class, I have to fry two dishes. These two dishes are extremely simple and may not be called dishes. That’s the living conditions.

My father was once considered a capitalist roader and was locked in a bullpen, and his wages dropped drastically. My mother worked hard, because she didn’t have a degree, she didn’t graduate from college, and her monthly salary was only 40 yuan, which is 7-8 US dollars. She had to take care of the life of the whole family. And our children have grown up. It doesn’t matter if boys wear a little patch of clothes, but younger sisters need to save face. If there are older girls in college, we give them old clothes. My mother wore some patched and patched clothes. In the words of my brother, people in the teaching and research section were reluctant to sit with her in meetings, not to mention that she was still a wife of a capitalist roader. So, if we say how much her personality has had an impact on us, I don’t know, I only know that she is pitiful. When we figured it out and wanted to honor our parents, they were no longer there. The biggest regret left in this life is not honoring his parents.

My mother has only a junior high school education level. Through self-study to improve her teaching level, more than 90% of her senior high school students can enter the university, which shows how much she has to pay. When my mother was 15 or 16 years old, she participated in the anti-Japanese singing team and sang anti-Japanese songs everywhere. At that time, there was no Communist Party in those areas. It may be organized by the KMT’s peripheral organizations. After liberation, she carried political baggage. With this spiritual “cross”. She has seven children and all have to eat and dress. Although her father is the principal, he is not in the same place. He can’t control us. The mother takes us all alone. In such a complicated situation, what time does she have to talk to us? I want to come today, maybe after one or two cooking, I will sit by the pot and talk.

After their deaths, we reflected and condemned ourselves for not understanding enough, so today we will not condemn our children for ignoring us, and we did not ignore our parents at that time. Therefore, it is difficult to say how much influence our parents have on us. In my opinion, acquired society’s cognition and acquired learning have a greater impact, and it is not entirely the parent’s blood influence. Otherwise, it would be the pedigree theory of “dragon begets dragon, phoenix begets phoenix, and mouse begets a hole in the ground”.

14. Joe McDonald: Are there any examples of Huawei’s strategy in the process of solving problems? Someone mentioned the example of PHS to reflect Huawei’s strategy. At that time, Huawei made a decision on whether to do PHS. What do you think about the PHS business?

Ren Zhengfei: The appearance of PHS is a “freak” in China. This “freak” is formed by the system, not naturally grown. Because China has a frequency of 1800M and a surplus of 55M, this 55M frequency can be allocated to telecommunications, which can use GSM, and there is no need to use PHS. However, the 55M is not allocated to telecommunications, and telecommunications must find a product that is not subject to frequency control. It happens that the frequency signal of PHS is very weak, and it is a home phone. If they increase it, they will be a social phone. PHS is a temporary product, because telecommunications does not have wireless, it is used to replace wireless. In my opinion, the strategy is to look at the problem in the long run. It is very important to see what the needs of this society are. PHS is a hopeless product and will consume a lot of energy. How can we focus our strategic forces on promising areas in the future?

Joe McDonald: We have also learned from other places that there is still a lot of internal controversy in the case of PHS, and even this has caused internal divisions. Can you talk about the situation at that time?

Ren Zhengfei: We are not afraid of external pressure at all, and we are determined not to do it anyway; internal pressure, if we say we don’t do it, what if Huawei really stumbles and dies due to my misjudgment?

At that time, Huawei was under great pressure to survive. In that case, we still focused on making 3GPP standard products. This process has gone through eight years, and many people inside are writing reports to do PHS. They want to make a little more money. They think that PHS is very simple and can be used. Every time I see a report, it is an inner entanglement and torment, and the pain is beyond addiction. Maybe the depression becomes serious at that time. It wasn’t until eight years later that China confirmed the release of 3G licenses, that our hearts were truly relieved.

15. Joe McDonald: You mentioned depression just now. You have told your employees before that you were under tremendous pressure around 2000. You often woke up suddenly at night, thinking about how to pay employees, and even thought of suicide. I want to confirm if this is true? If it is true, can you tell us about the situation?

Ren Zhengfei: I won’t talk about this painful thing, their legend is true.

Ken Moritsugu: Could you ask, what have you learned from this painful experience? How has it changed for you? How did you finally overcome this challenge?

Ren Zhengfei: There is nothing to learn about that, because there is no gain from suffering. If we “a hammer in the east and a stick in the west”, we are doomed to fail, and we should work hard in the right direction to achieve success. Later, we called the goal of our struggle “approximately the right direction.” There is no absolutely correct direction, and it is enough to be roughly correct. Second, the organization must be full of vitality and aim at one place. This is a bet on science and technology, and it may be wrong. Fortunately, the pressure was released when the bet was right, and then I didn’t want to commit suicide.

Joe McDonald: If you compare the current crisis with the pain experienced by PHS in 2000, how do you view the current crisis?

Ren Zhengfei: Today’s crisis should only be one-tenth of the pressure at that time, because now we are confident in overcoming the crisis. The crisis at that time was an unknowable fear. Now I am not afraid. At that time, I was so afraid that my spirit was tortured so much that I had depression. Now we are making up the “holes” step by step. The “holes” in the line from 5G to the core network are all filled. Now we need to fill the “holes” of the terminal. There are only one or two terminal “holes”. We are confident to use it. It will be completed in two or three years. Therefore, we are still very confident now, but we did not have confidence at that time; secondly, we also have money now, but at that time, the hearts of the people were uneven, and there was no money yet.

The pain at that time also included the pain of proof of identity, because we were a private company, and we had no political status at that time and we were still making money. It was suspected. Today’s pain is that the United States is attacking Huawei’s market and business, which cannot attack our lives. Only China can attack my political life. The United States cannot attack the political life, and I will not go to the United States. Therefore, I am now in a calmer mood.

I have already withdrawn from the stage of history, why do I do it for a while now? Because I found that I was quite effective in times of crisis, so I stood up and worked for a few more years. In the past few years, I may have dealt with you many times. You can ask any questions, and I can answer you truthfully.

For 30 years, Huawei has been suffering, without joy, and the suffering in each link is different. Today you mentioned it for the first time, comparing the pain in 2000 with the pain now. I have never thought about it. thank you all.

16. Joe McDonald: You are now in your 70s. Most Chinese business leaders have retired at this age. Many people are praised by everyone for their previous success. How do you feel when you are in your 70s and are still involved in the Sino-US trade technology war? After all, you have achieved such great success before, and now you are faced with such a conflict, how will you get through it?

Ren Zhengfei: The main reason is that I am in good health and I can’t find anything to do when I retreat. It is better to work part-time in the Public Relations Department and have a little entertainment. Who makes me so good? Let’s do it for a while.

Can I tell you a few jokes? I had a medical examination in the United States. Greenberg asked me to go there and asked his personal doctor to give me a physical examination. When I returned to China, I went to 301 Hospital and Union Hospital for examinations. My heart and stomach were younger. There is no scar on any part of the blood vessels. At present, my organs and other aspects are very good, why? Maybe it’s because I don’t have bad living habits. I never smoke, drink, sing or dance. I don’t have any habits. I eat simple and listen to the doctor’s advice. I am in good health. Now that I’m free, I don’t have the habit of taking care of children. Instead of being idle, I might as well work for Huawei and continue to work.

I followed my wife on a trip to Bolivia two years ago. I felt nothing at the altitude of more than 4000 meters in Bolivia. The Bolivian employee told me that the oxygen level there is only 0.5 lower than that in Shenzhen. I don’t know if he is telling the truth or not. Some time ago I went to Nepal to see the project. I took a helicopter to the flat ground close to the site. I climbed to 5200 meters to see the base station on foot. My heart didn’t feel like it could not stand it. Of course it’s not like walking on the ground, but I don’t feel like I can’t stand it. In the past two years, I have not walked so well. The young people walked with me in the past two years. Their feet were soaked and I was still walking.

Why didn’t I retire? If you do not retire, you can often come to the company for coffee. It’s too popular to be out there and it’s inconvenient.

Talk about jokes, enliven the atmosphere, and get back to business.

17. Joe McDonald: Ask a question about recent news reports. We saw a report in The Wall Street Journal that Huawei employees helped local governments locate or harass political opponents in two African countries. I want to ask: What is Huawei’s position in this regard? Regarding helping the government to carry out political activities, what is your personal policy? Do you agree to help the government do this kind of thing? Is Huawei willing to help the governments of these countries in Africa to do such things?

Ren Zhengfei: There is no such thing at all, and it is seriously inconsistent with the facts. We have already sent a lawyer’s letter.

Joe McDonald: What kind of letter is it? Are they asking them to withdraw their reports or other requirements?

Ren Zhengfei: Investigation and clarification are included. If you can’t listen to the rumors, you must make a thorough investigation and make corrections.

18. Ken Moritsugu: I want to ask another technical-related question. Technology is very powerful and can be used to do good or bad. Both Google and Facebook are engaged in some debates: As technology providers, are they responsible for how their technology is used? What do you think of technology? Is it just to provide technology for others to use? Or do you think you are also responsible for how the technology is used?

Ren Zhengfei: I think that Huawei has provided technology and we guarantee to comply with cyber security and GDPR privacy protection system. But the network is ultimately controlled by the sovereign state, and the sovereign state manages and controls the network through the operator. Therefore, this is not a question of what Huawei can or cannot do. After the installation of Huawei equipment, the operator will pay attention to you and follow you all the time. Otherwise, if you pick up the phone, how can you be connected? The process of performing this behavior must abide by international laws and local national laws, and it is not something that Huawei employees can control. Therefore, a uniform law must be drawn up internationally.

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